With the growing increase of players and particularly monsters with magical patterns combined with a massive influx of vampires and paladins, has left the corruption spell list comparatively underpowered.

For a spell list where you only have access to half the number of spells of all other lists and no ability to counter magic it seems its big selling points of the past, fatal, disease and paralysis are far less effective and can no longer make up for its limitations. Compare this to total heal on the healing list which has become even more valuable with its ability to heal many (not all) special creature types.

Of course I haven't forgotten that you don't die after 4 years of getting it anymore which is good. I also realise some other spell lists are even more underpowered (high light incant anyone?).

Feel free to rip this to shreds, just my two cents.

I partially agree with the effectiveness of paralysis but all the things I listed are likely to be immune. Also with the proliferation of sigils prot paralysis is relatively easy to get hold of. Also far more ppl are investing in immune to imob.

Mass fear is also terrible compared to forbidding (although neither are what they used to be as people can easily acquire immune to repel and immune to fear - damn good osp skills).

I think it would be interesting to see how much of the field are immune to fatal at this point. I'd guess it would be around 50%. I think if you compared that to those who are immune to harm, Mage bolt or even crush you can really see how that element of high corruption has become less effective.

I take your point that some factions may be less protected against fatal than others with a greater access to unliving. You may well be right that my estimate is well out in terms of immunity to fatal.

With the way the game has changed, far more players and monsters are completely immune to its effects than ever before. Compare the relative immunities to harm, magebolt and crush and it is easier to be immune to fatal than any others. Maybe I'm showing my age when fatal was a call to really be feared, where as harm has now taken its place.

My original point was that an increase in magical patterns has made corruption far less effective than almost any other high casting, especially in a feast world.

As well as the points listed above (not that many people being immune to corruption etc) Corruption is also a roleplay skill. (Yes I am one of those crazy people who buy OSs for roleplay.) Corruption while useful for the fancy new spells it gives you, is also kick ass when it comes to enhancing your roleplay.
For example: There could be some big bad targeting healers, at which point you get to lord it over the healers because it's not targeting you specifically. Alternatively there could be a big bad targeting Corruptors, at which point you run for the hills.

I can tell you not that many people have it, It is my guilds skill, I am lucky to have it and the amount of players with it is not a large number, Im betting I could name most of them without racking my brain.

As for having access to prot paralysis you need to have access to a high incantor who will spend 4 power on you as said, again you seem to grossly overestimate the amount of people with that skill and mindset out there. I think if you have access to it all good, not that many people do have access to it.

I think the jury is still out on the usefulness of Corruption versus other players. I certainly seem to run in to a lot of people who are immune to it, but then that might just be the people I'm fighting.

Where I think Corruption is failing however is versus monsters. I've lost count of the number of (monster) goblins or skaven who are immune to disease and paralysis. And you can guarantee that any big bad probably has a magical pattern these days, so in mass PvE battles Corruptors are effectively forced to only concentrate on the smaller monsters.

There is also a tendency, because of the lack of monster numbers, to up-stat most unliving encounters. Making unliving immune to Halt Unliving (as happens quite a lot) and giving them a high Dismiss/Control rank means most times it better for a Corruptor to just avoid the fight. A bit laughable for the supposed necromancers of the field. And shouting for a control wedge is just asking to get targeted by other players at the moment.

Add to that the average Corruptor has no armour, nor an armour spell, nor an immunity spell they can be granted by other Corruptors, and cannot counterspell. It can be quite dangerous when all your cool spells are by weapon blow!

I love having corruption as a list, but I honestly think it is the weakest of the lists out there. The roleplay definitely makes up for this, but I think the issue does need to be looked at. I don't think the list needs to be changed necessarily (and it won't be until rules 4), but I think careful monster statting will go a long way to making Corruptors feel a bit better about themselves. And isn't that what it is all about really? :)

I think better monster statting is called for . . . not a change to the list. I have used all (pretty much) of the spell lists available in the book (both as monsters and players) and have very rarely come up against a foe that made my spell list unplayably weaker . . .

And if I did - it was MEANT to be that way to smash my face in . . . But found other ways to deal with it.

As for the "massive" influx of Vampires and Paladins - there aren't that many of them ;-) . . . and they pay for their immunities with OSPs like the rest of us can . . . and in the downsides of being those Sliders too.

Yeah certain monster statting has been up statted where it shouldn't, but usually this is due to low monster numbers. If more people did there bit and monstered then it wouldn't be as much of an issue.

Also I have seen some corruptors have some pretty bad luck. In one battle, on that part of the field where this corruptor was, there were about 5 monsters within a step and a swing of him, and I was the only one of them immune to fatal. Guess which one he used his "cause fatal wound" on?

Being just a normal fighter type I can tell you I fear paralsys and fatal and all the rest. I have spent OSps to be immune to repel and fear etc but you can still kill me stone dead is the time it takes me to hit you once with a sword.

Yes you need to then pund through my armour but you have 60 seconds of me being a hat stand.